Comments on: How aggregators help newspapers (now with real numbers!) http://jschooltiger.com/2009/06/29/how-aggregators-help-newspapers-now-with-real-numbers/ Thoughts on digital media and football at MU Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:40:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: Some responses to responses on aggregation – New media at old Mizzou http://jschooltiger.com/2009/06/29/how-aggregators-help-newspapers-now-with-real-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-132 Some responses to responses on aggregation – New media at old Mizzou Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:37:12 +0000 http://jschooltiger.com/?p=254#comment-132 [...] I don’t have comment threading (lame, I know) I decided to respond to the comments about aggregation [...] [...] I don’t have comment threading (lame, I know) I decided to respond to the comments about aggregation [...]

]]> By: Stephen Larson http://jschooltiger.com/2009/06/29/how-aggregators-help-newspapers-now-with-real-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-130 Stephen Larson Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:09:52 +0000 http://jschooltiger.com/?p=254#comment-130 Copyright law doesn't need to change, newspaper need a way to enforce it with minimal expense. Your study doesn't address what traffic would be at websites that actually generate real content if the aggregators were stopped with existing copyright law. With no aggregators, readers would have fewer websites to go to for news and likely increase traffic. Copyright law doesn’t need to change, newspaper need a way to enforce it with minimal expense.

Your study doesn’t address what traffic would be at websites that actually generate real content if the aggregators were stopped with existing copyright law. With no aggregators, readers would have fewer websites to go to for news and likely increase traffic.

]]> By: The Truth http://jschooltiger.com/2009/06/29/how-aggregators-help-newspapers-now-with-real-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-129 The Truth Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:47:18 +0000 http://jschooltiger.com/?p=254#comment-129 @Josh Young You're absolutely right on this. It amazes me how many people miss the logical flaw in the aggregator argument. It is entirely possible that if those referring sites did not exist, that those users might simply go to your site instead. And simply going back in time to look at historical traffic before aggregators would not work as more users have moved online, consume more content, and benefit from better viewing experiences on news sites than they did in the past. @Josh Young You’re absolutely right on this. It amazes me how many people miss the logical flaw in the aggregator argument. It is entirely possible that if those referring sites did not exist, that those users might simply go to your site instead. And simply going back in time to look at historical traffic before aggregators would not work as more users have moved online, consume more content, and benefit from better viewing experiences on news sites than they did in the past.

]]> By: Shafqat http://jschooltiger.com/2009/06/29/how-aggregators-help-newspapers-now-with-real-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-128 Shafqat Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:30:52 +0000 http://jschooltiger.com/?p=254#comment-128 Hey Rob - great post and well done backing up with data. You mentioned you'd love to see other data. I did a quick and dirty post with numbers from Hitwise UK (they kindly dug around a bit for me and produce the stats). On average, UK newspapers received 32% of their traffic from Google, with a further 5% from Yahoo and Facebook. It's amazing that near numbers match up almost perfectly to your internal statistics. You can read the rest of my tongue in cheek post here: http://blog.newscred.com/?p=182 Anyway, we need more of these kinds of posts. Once people like Ms. Schultz see these numbers repeated over and over again, she'll realize how misguided her suggestions really are. Hey Rob – great post and well done backing up with data. You mentioned you’d love to see other data. I did a quick and dirty post with numbers from Hitwise UK (they kindly dug around a bit for me and produce the stats). On average, UK newspapers received 32% of their traffic from Google, with a further 5% from Yahoo and Facebook. It’s amazing that near numbers match up almost perfectly to your internal statistics. You can read the rest of my tongue in cheek post here: http://blog.newscred.com/?p=182

Anyway, we need more of these kinds of posts. Once people like Ms. Schultz see these numbers repeated over and over again, she’ll realize how misguided her suggestions really are.

]]> By: Josh Young (@jny2) http://jschooltiger.com/2009/06/29/how-aggregators-help-newspapers-now-with-real-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Josh Young (@jny2) Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:22:16 +0000 http://jschooltiger.com/?p=254#comment-127 Just because aggregators deliver you X visits/day doesn't mean that in a world without aggregators you wouldn't receive X+N visits/day, where N is positive. The logic fail is ignoring relevant possible alternatives, and the practical point is that though aggregators may legitimately send news sites loads traffic, they may also siphon off a great deal as well. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_conditional. [Rob's note: edited to fix the Web link] Just because aggregators deliver you X visits/day doesn’t mean that in a world without aggregators you wouldn’t receive X+N visits/day, where N is positive. The logic fail is ignoring relevant possible alternatives, and the practical point is that though aggregators may legitimately send news sites loads traffic, they may also siphon off a great deal as well.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_conditional.

[Rob's note: edited to fix the Web link]

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